5th generation and 500 dogs.


We need to have a chat about this topic again.
This has been covered in the past, but as new people come aboard, old info is forgotten.
There are a handful of ex UABA members who are trying to  create their own association or 2 or 3, and it seems as if their biggest concern is, they think that I am holding the breed back from ever becoming recognised with the ANKC.
Let’s start with the generations.
The UABA is well aware of how many generations each Aussie bulldog has in their breeding , and this can be calculated 2 ways.

1: The amount of generations of breeding since the first introduction of BBD.
Example: you can have 4 generations of breeding, and each generation could be sired by a BBD, but it is not until the last dog sired by a BBD  produces a litter, and then it becomes a first generation Aussie bulldog, as long as the pup is above 80% BBD.

2: The amount of generations since a BBD has not been used as a sire.
Example:
This would be the generation produced in the first example. Where it does not have an immediate BBD as a sire.
The only variation to this ,could be that the CCC have taken their generations from when the BBD is not on the ancestry papers.

The ANKC have a requirement that there must be 5 generations of breeding put back to 5 generations of breeding, that does not have another recognised breed in that 5 generation ancestry.
The ABS calculate the first generation, as the generation sired by the BBD.
The first generation is actually the pups produced by dogs, where one or both parents may have been sired by a BBD, or could also  have a BBD as a great grand father.  
An Aussie bulldog should be over 80% British bulldog, and if the Sire is 87% BBD, but he is sired by a BBD, then it is his pups that become an Aussie bulldog, as long as the mother is over 75%. All other dogs in the system, that are sired by a BBD, are helping to produce the real first generation Aussie bulldog, but will always be commonly recognised as Aussie bulldogs, while in the development process.

We have seen ABS breed certificates that state that they are 4th generation to 4th generation, when in actual fact they were 4th to 3rd by their calculations, but being a little bit keen to get that other generation in there.
By CCC calculations, with the individual sired by a BBD not counting as the first generation, this would make these dogs 3rd to 2nd.

Going back to the ex UABA members that are worried about ANKC recognition. Most of these people have  dogs sired by a BBD, which means  they  don't even qualify as first generation yet.  They are more than happy with the look and quality of their dogs, and knew what they were buying when they got them.
If we consider that it takes a minimum of 18 months to produce a pup, and another 18 months for it to produce pups, then by multiplying 6 times 18 months, it will take 9 years, just to get  to the start of the fifth generational milestone.
Next thing you have to do is breed all these dogs back with other 5th generation dogs, until you get 500 in total. At an average of 5 pups per litter and 10 litters per year, it will take another 10 years to achieve this. At a rough estimate, it will be 15 to 20 years to reach this point, and I wonder how many of these ambitious breeders will still be breeding Aussies around the year 2025.

If you are wondering why I calculated the 18 months by 6, instead of 5, its because the dog sired by a BBD is part of the calculation, but not included in the 5 generations.This is only if the pup sired by a BBD is out of a well established Aussie bulldog female, and not just another breed, such as a boxer or bullmastiff, which means that this female would possibly have 5 or 6 years worth of effort behind her as well, adding another 5 years of breeding before these dogs even get bred back with each other.

If you take into consideration that we only started 10 years ago, and look  at what we have achieved to this point with people following our advice, then I would have thought we were doing OK, but it seems as if some people take advice given to them, as overbearing interference.  Only if they would look at exactly how they got their breeding stock together, and how those dogs were produced in the beginning , would they realise it was  advice from Tina and Myself.
Just a reminder that the Aussie bulldog was created because the ANKC and BBD breeders in the majority, had made that many guidelines and restrictions on their dogs, that the BBD was in serious demise, and nearly impossible to purchase one. So we are personally not in any great hurry to throw all our hard work back into that system just yet.  We are open minded to the opportunity to have the Aussie bulldog recognised by their blue blood system, but it won’t change the fact that the Aussie bulldog is doing extremely well without them, now and ten years ago.
I think a few people should focus more on the immediate task, and stop worrying about what might happen in 20 years.
We can continue on our original goal of breeding Aussie bulldog to Aussie bulldog, and address health probs, temperament and type as we go, and eventually we will have our breed of dog with generations of pups sired by a quality Aussie Bulldog and out of a great Aussie female, but first we need the numbers, quality and type, to start in that massive direction, and seeing people break off a chunk of our hard work to start another new group, is only going to create an unnecessary void for us.
The whole idea is to have one registering body with all Aussie bulldogs, and they are well aware of that. So why don’t they stick with the UABA or join the ABS, because long term the 2 Associations will amalgamate anyway.
We made a suggestion to the ABS, about 6 months ago, to join forces and to include the percentage system, generations by ANKC requirements, and to also allow BBD to still be used on certain females, and would not have affected all lines. The well established lines that are successfully producing Aussies, would be left as they are, and continue down the generational track.
Our offer was not accepted on the conditions we put to them, so we still have 2 groups, yet to become 3 or 4 or 5 groups if some people get their way.
The UABA was the first association formed, originally by Tina, myself and Pip on the 15/10/2003, and percentages were part of our joint concern back then.
We have openly accepted Pips ABS, because it is mainly formed by members that breed the Nobes line dogs, and Pip is more than well aware of the history and origins of  these dogs.
The new groups forming, are created by people that have not yet produced an Aussie bulldog pup, or at the most had 1 or 2 litters, and they have personally been involved with this breed for around 2 years, which doesn’t seem like a great lot of experience to take on the task of running these dogs for 2 decades of pup registrations and breeding.
We have 22 years of dog breeding experience, and been registered members of the CCCQ from 1988 to 2007, and also have 11 years experience with the introduction of Bulldogs into our breeding of Aussies, which is of  benefit  for breed reference to us and anyone seeking advice from us on future matings.

The UABA was the first Association, and we stick with the original game plan of keeping record of percentages , generations and photographic  pup registrations, which include all the new owners details.
Percentages, new owner details and photos of the pup on the breed cert , is not done by the ABS, even though they are keeping record of parentage in their breed certs, we think it is very necessary for all this other info to be recorded. Thats why we know that at this stage of breeding, the UABA has the most thorough system of registration anywhere.
This is obvious by seeing the number of UABA bred dogs that are bought by ABS members, and might I also add that the people planning on starting their own associations, are also stocking up on UABA pups. We are aware of this because we keep records of all new owners.
It is complimentary in a way, but disappointing that if they only realised that their goal of having the Aussie recognised by the ANKC, would be reached far quicker if all the dogs stayed in the one system, which would have been the UABA.

That’s about as much as I can think of at the moment. So all I can do is let you have a read and decide for yourselves what you think is best.
Thanks for taking the time to peruse.
Noel Green 12/08/08

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